do I HAVE to read Twilight?

topic posted Fri, July 17, 2009 - 10:54 AM by  fixit fox
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My usually very sensible, substantial-literature-minded book club chose TWILIGHT for next month.
(That's what I get for missing a meeting!)

I don't want to sound like a holier-than-thou snob jerk, but I never even read any Anne Rice stuff since THAT sounded hokey to me.
Can I stomach this stuff? Amazon reviews suggest not.

I did just read the Harry Potter series because my 8 year old did and wanted to talk about it.
Twilight sounds like it may be similar: simple-minded prose that's driven just enough by the story to keep you at it.

The crummy gender roles and close attention to characters' appearance sounds very off-putting... not exactly the kind of stuff I want to keep around the house for my daughter to pick up.

Talk me down? Let me off the hook?
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  • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

    Fri, July 17, 2009 - 11:03 AM
    find another book club.
    • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

      Fri, July 17, 2009 - 11:55 AM
      A good friend (who's reading picks I normally appreciate) told me I "had to read" Twilight. My step-son gave me a copy for mother's day so I was looking forward to the read. I got about half way through and just cannot be bothered to pick it up again. I read (and enjoyed) the entire Harry Potter series, most of the Anne Rice vampire novels, and all of the Charlaine Harris (Sookie Stackhouse) Southern Vampire series...so I can admit I enjoy a little fantasy/horror. Twilight seems to be aimed at "tween" girls...Indeed, find another book club!
  • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

    Fri, July 17, 2009 - 12:04 PM
    Twilight is less entertaining than Harry potter, but its readable all the same. Interestingly its one of the few books that has you really annoyed withthe protagonist - New Moon, the sequel, is even worse.

    Still they're good feel good romance books. They're aimed at 16 yr old girls, but still readable all the same and better than a lot of others. You should read it!
  • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

    Fri, July 17, 2009 - 6:44 PM
    The target audience for Twilight is 14 year old girls who've already finished all of the Harry Potter series & now need a new fixation.

    so it's not supposed to be high lit, thought provoking or original. in fact, it's a total rip off of the Swedish book/movie "Let The Right One In" (which is MUCH MUCH better in my opinion.) www.amazon.com/Let-Right-.../0312355297
    and the movie trailer : www.youtube.com/watch

    I was very reluctant to read it also, and had the same feelings about it you have & they're perfectly valid. so here's what i thought about it when i was done reading it.

    *given that it's for tweens, it's not bad. for tweens. i'd let my daughter read it. it's clean, and suprisingly wholesome.
    *it's probably not going to generate any thought provoking moments, but it's a fairly well written story & once i started reading it, it was hard to put down. and knowing that it's a tween book i enjoyed it for what it was. a decent tween book. nothing i'd recommend to my friends.
    *the main character of Bella is tiresome & i found her to be downright unlikeable. she's whiney, dull, irrational & makes really stupid decisions. there was nothing about her that i found appealing and i most certainly didn't identify with her. she swings between being stupidly stubborn and stupidly self sacraficing. but, this is often times what 14 year old girls are like. so there are a lot of young girls who DO identify with her.
    *there were parts of the story that just flat out didn't make any kind of logical sense. that was annoying.
    *these characters are not role models. and they're not supposed to be. so yeah, there are a lot of women out there who are very upset because Bellas a whiney little sap & they think this isn't a positive role model. they're right, she isn't, but she's not supposed to be a role model. she's supposed to be someone girls identify with until they grow up & learn better.

    so if you're down with revisiting your youth & remembering what it's like to be a young teen, then read it & take it for what it's worth. don't expect brilliance.

    but yeah, like a poster mentioned earlier, if this is what your book club is reading, find a new book club. it would be one thing if they were reading it to do a review of tween books, but if they're reading this for a serious adult discussion, there won't be much to discuss. i can think of 10 better books to read.
    • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

      Fri, July 17, 2009 - 8:28 PM
      What is it about Harry Potter, if you don't mind me interrupting? I have a couple of friends who are mad about Harry Potter, they are fully mature women, and were copying audiobooks of the newest Harry Potter novels for each other all the time and their eyes were shining. Every time we met to go to the movies together they kept trying to drag me into yet another Harry Potter sequel, and after 2 or 3 all of which did not like (the first one reminded me of Enyd Blyton's 5 friends series for teenagers, the third one was a mix of HP and the Queen of the vampires with a bit of Steven Spielberg thrown in) I got really sick of this, and kept asking all along why they are so keen on seeing kids' movies and reading kids' books.
      What causes the addiction?
      • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

        Fri, July 17, 2009 - 9:03 PM
        Arrested developement. IMHO.
        "I don't want to grow up!"
        Being grown up is serious business.
        The Harry Potter books were for entertainment. Mind candy, if you please.
        • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

          Fri, July 17, 2009 - 9:25 PM
          Mind candy?
          For what kind of mind, I wonder?
          Anyway, there seem to be all kids of book clubs. Has anyone read "The Jane Austen book club" or what was that called ?
          • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

            Fri, July 17, 2009 - 9:31 PM
            I had a fallout with my brother when I took my sis to a Bach concert instead of witnessing her planned briefing for the "gigantic" Harry Potter 3 in the form of some 7 hours of DVD watching before going to the cinema with the tickets he gave us for Xmas... This is crazy! And then he complained that I obviously can't cook because I downloaded a recipe for "canard a l'orange" to cook us a Christmas dinner.
            Anyway, sorry for interrupting. Anyway, you can always save yourself the pain of reading by suffering through a 2 hour video of Twilight, I guess. Or try some other bookclub.
        • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

          Sat, July 18, 2009 - 6:32 AM
          > "Arrested developement." exactly!

          these books are perfectly fine for the whole 10-18 set. after that? mmmnot so much. once some one hits 19 years of age, they should read grown up books.

          however, there is a massive cult following that has sprung up around the Harry Potter books & i think a lot of people get caught up in the subculture of it. there are harry potter bands ( wizardrock.org/ a friend of mine plays in the 'Draco & The Malfoys'. for the 'kids' and made a decent living off of it in it's heyday) now i'm just waiting to see how long it takes for the Twilight Bands to spring up.

          and sadly, Twilight & the Harry Potter books are the ONLY books my boss will & has ever read. i'm in hell. seriously.
          • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

            Sat, July 18, 2009 - 7:13 AM
            My book club is made up a group of friends who get together with our young children for a playgroup every week.
            Then we added a monthly moms-only Bar Night, then a twice-a-summer camping trip. Now that I think about it, the half of us who are avid, serious readers tend to dominate the conversations at book club meetings.
            I haven't heard yet about the conversation that led to this month's book, but now that I think about it, the (very nice) woman who is the least interested in books read this one just recently, and loved it. I guess I can't blame anyone for wanting to talk about a book SHE is enthusiastic about. I felt a little sorry for her the month we read both Tom Sawyer AND To Kill a Mockingbird- it seemed overwhelming to her to have TWO books to find and read... though I felt so sure she'd enjoy them, if not for whatever it is that makes people somehow shy about picking up a book.

            Anyway...

            I have also noticed that our most lively conversations in this group happen when most of us did NOT like the book.
            Or maybe that's just me... it's easier to tear something apart and explain why it sucks than to give articulate praise that adds anything.
            We read A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle last winter, and hooooo-ey! was that fun to verbally set aflame :D
            The tricky stuff comes when some of us hate a book, and others found value in it.
            But those tricky ones are absolutely the best conversations :)

            It seems like there's something about tactful, respectful disagreements that bonds people together.
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              Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

              Sat, July 18, 2009 - 11:54 PM
              I believe it sounds like it will be a great exercise in literary tolerance.....might be interesting to hear a different voice in the group for a change!
          • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

            Sat, July 18, 2009 - 4:20 PM
            >>these books are perfectly fine for the whole 10-18 set. after that? mmmnot so much. once some one hits 19 years of age, they should read grown up books.<<

            I disagree with this completely. I think people should read whatever will give them a positive experience, whether they learn something from it or it is just for enjoyment. I would never read Twilight, but I'm not into Mary Sue vampire novels all that much. I read the first Harry Potter books while visiting friends, they were entertaining and quick reads, but not really my thing. I have however read some children's and young adult fiction as an adult that was fantastic. I've also read vast amounts of adult fiction that was utter trash. As an adult most books aimed at a younger audience are not going to appeal, but that is no reason to completely exclude them.

            As far as Twighlight itself goes, I obviously haven't read it. I have read a few samples and have talked to a number of people who have read it. Unless you really like tween romance novels where the main character is meant to be highly identifiable to the target audience, I'd skip it. In other words, if you don't have a fantasy of being a fourteen year old plain jane type girl who is lusted after by a guy who is not only the perfect boyfriend, but a vampire, it probably isn't for you.
      • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

        Sat, July 18, 2009 - 10:22 AM
        "What is it about Harry Potter, if you don't mind me interrupting?"

        Canela

        Have you actually read any of them or just seen the films?

        In my opinion the first two are 'ok', they're readable and the storyline is ok. I think the books really steadily start to get better from book three onwards and particularly book 4. Books 6 and 7 are really really good. I would rate Harry Potter as being amongst my most enjoyable reads.
        • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

          Sat, July 18, 2009 - 8:45 PM
          No, Paul, I haven't. After seeing those movies I would not touch those books with a ten feet pole. If I want kid's stuff, I watch Sesamy Street, always loved that one for it's irreverence. Anything with "tokens for good behaviour" and cricket or baseball matches in it turn me off completely and reminds me of that psychology course on how to control hyperactive students. Where is the inspiration in that? Playing naughty tricks and having superpowers while dealing with authority figures? All in form of a fantasy and terribly exciting? Come on....
          • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

            Sun, July 19, 2009 - 5:09 AM
            "No, Paul, I haven't. After seeing those movies I would not touch those books with a ten feet pole. If I want kid's stuff, I watch Sesamy Street, always loved that one for it's irreverence."

            The books are much much better than the films. Whilst as a child you may read the books on one level, as an adult you suddenly see the sinister parallels between the wziarding world and nazi germany - especially as the story progresses. The books cleverly deal with love, fear and courage which go beyond the boundaries of age. It is foolish of course to make presumptions on books that you haven't actually read. After the third book, the series gets quite good, particularly so after the fourth. Try them, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

            It would be silly to base them purely on the films, after all there have been many disasterous films made from brilliant books.
  • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

    Sat, July 18, 2009 - 8:31 AM
    one of my oldest dearest friends enthusiastically recommended twilight and the sequel. she gave them to me to read, with a grand flourish, stating "there's GREAT SEX in these pages!!!" I hate her now. Kidding. But really, she recommends crappy movies too, and I always know if she hates something, it is probably too heavy for her, and more than likely perfect for me. I could barely read a full chapter of twilight in one sitting, as the writing is completely pedestrian-- and truly if your tween has a brain, these books will be a serious disappointment. I don't think I've tried to read anything so bad since... maybe never.
    • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

      Sat, July 18, 2009 - 8:56 AM
      I loved Twilight! It was an entertaining story with the sexual tension of the best bodice rippers out there : ) I like to be entertained while I read, and sometimes that comes in the form of a lighthearted story that doesn't take things too seriously. So if you're not into those kinds of stories, then you probably won't like it at all. I liked Twilight better than Harry Potter, it had better plot twists and seemed to have been planned out more completely in the author's mind than Harry Potter. I always got the sense that JK Rowling didn't actually know what she was going to do with the story until the very end. In my opinion it's worth the read, but I know a lot of people didn't like it at all.
      • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

        Sat, July 18, 2009 - 9:11 AM
        If you have read Enyd Blyton in junior high, you know where Rowland got her ideas from. I was not impressed. 5 friends, boarding schools with tokens for good behaviour with a few owls and snakes and a flying cricket match thrown in. All that boarding school culture repels me.

        If I want a light heart story I read Kundera or Eco.
      • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

        Sun, July 19, 2009 - 5:11 AM
        "I liked Twilight better than Harry Potter, it had better plot twists and seemed to have been planned out more completely in the author's mind than Harry Potter."

        Oh. I actually didn't think there was ANY plot twists in Twilight. I can't remember any anyway. I thought it was a pretty straightforward plot. Compare to the plot twists of Harry Potter 4.
        • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

          Sun, July 19, 2009 - 8:26 AM
          Yes, the 4th Harry Potter book had some mighty plot twists : ) The Twilight series did have plot twists, things that surprised me and were unexpected. It also seemed to me that the author planted enough foreshadowing that the twists, once revealed, made a lot of sense, but the foreshadowing wasn't overdone. In Harry Potter, (I really love that series too), I was disappointed by the ending of the series and slightly confused. It didn't feel well thought out, and I think she changed her mind and it showed in her writing. Up until the last book, I loved the whole series,but the last book made me question how complete her vision was from the beginning. Twilight flowed in a way the Harry Potter books didn't, in my opinion. They're both worthy of reading and I've read and enjoyed both series immensely.
    • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

      Sat, July 18, 2009 - 9:46 AM
      i felt the same way about Twilight as i did about The Giver. the same friend recommended both books to me. She an incredibly intelligent and well educated person & some of the books she's given me have been fantastic, but these two just didn't do it for me so much. she was ALL EXCITED about The Giver (again a tween/teen book) and i just personally thought it was total crap & a complete waste of my time.

      but then i love Rushdie & have recommended his books to her & she hated them. so, to each their own.
  • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

    Fri, July 24, 2009 - 1:49 PM
    Read the first book to humor my daughter...and got hooked.

    They're full of teen angst and a bit unrealistic as far as the idea of true love goes...which sounds a lot like me my senior year in high school. But I loved them anyway. ; )

    Read all of them and just started the book you can download from her site that will never be published because someone leaked the manuscript on the internet. It's called MIDNIGHT SUN, and is the story from Edward's point of view. I wish she'd change her mind and publish it. You can find it here...

    www.stepheniemeyer.com/midnightsun.html

    WW
    • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

      Mon, July 27, 2009 - 6:44 PM
      I completely love Twilight. I read the entire series in a week and a half. Couldn't put it down.
      What I loved so much is that it revives your teen angst and hopeless romanticism... the kind you had when you were twelve and picturing your white wedding. It's innocent, simple, and severely entertaining.
      I would recommend it to anyone who can suspend their need for intellectualism. It's such an easy read and so entertaining... why not read it?? It'll take no time at all and will make you smile and bring back memories of high school (and as much as I know ya'll will probably say "I hated high school," I know that there is a part of you that relishes those cobwebs).
      So... I say get over your fear of looking like a "tween" and read it.
      • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

        Sun, August 2, 2009 - 11:13 AM
        I figure I will read both Twilight and Harry Potter when everything else I could ever possibly want to read has been read.
        • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

          Sun, August 2, 2009 - 11:15 AM
          Though I am excited to hear that Johnny Depp will be playing Barnabas Collins in the Dark Shadows movie.
          • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

            Sun, August 2, 2009 - 2:35 PM
            I found a friend to lend me a copy, so I'm a few chapters into it.

            We don't know yet why the gorgeous, superhuman guy is so fixated on the plain, clumsy new girl, so it feels sort of universal the way she's baffled by his interest. Especially in our teen years, it's so easy to focus on our own weaknesses to the point where it's confusing when an appealing person shows an interest in us.

            As someone said here (or was it an Amazon review?) it is a little over-written. Nobody says anything: they always promise or assert or hasten-to-reply. Much like Harry Potter: a little more dwelling on the minutiae of daily life than I care to wade through. It just feels like filler.

            Overall, it looks like I'm going to read it, and it's going to be okay.
            I'll just have to bite my tongue when certain friends will likely gush over it.


            Has anyone seen the movie?
            I don't know how they could cast people stunning enough to live up to the awed, drooling descriptions of the Cullen family.
  • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

    Thu, August 27, 2009 - 2:14 PM
    No you don't have too. If you don't like love stories stay away.

    I didn't want too either until my friend just handed me the book. Since I didn't need to invest money I thought I'd give it a try. I looked at it as more of a love story than a "vampire book" then I loved it. I do hate the crazy ass fans and the hell the actors from the movies are in. That's totally stupid. It has become a fad. Falling into fads does need to bear caution.
    • Re: do I HAVE to read Twilight?

      Fri, August 28, 2009 - 6:03 PM
      Hey, I love a good love story!
      But a good one needs chemistry, good dialog, and a compelling plot overall.
      Twilight didn't really have these qualities.

      Don't get me wrong- it was a fun, quick read.
      But like Harry Potter, I spent a day or two thinking about glaring plot holes-
      and then promptly forgot about the whole thing.

      Friends tell me that book two isn't much better written than the first, but they get better after that.

      I do love the idea that these were written by a young Mormon woman. I like to hear about people with active imaginations... though her intention for the vampire theme to teach about abstinence is a little creepy. Sex does not equal death. :) And men needn't have that kind of disturbing absolute power over their relationships with women.
      Though I shouldn't comment too much on that stuff, having only read the first book in the series.

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