So Idle a Rogue

topic posted Fri, June 12, 2009 - 7:30 AM by  Canela, too ...
Share/Save/Bookmark
Advertisement
"So Idle a Rogue
The life and death of Lord Rochester" by Jeremy Lamb

I finished this reading this book a couple of years ago, during my absinthe and crazy poetry phase, after seeing the movie with Johnny Depp. It was an amazing experience to read how modern in thought a 17th century poet could be. The irreverent John Wilmot, Lord Rochester (1647-1680) was born in the age of libertinism, a reaction to Calvinism/puritanism. Puritanism carried on in America (see Nathaniel Hawthorne's novel "The scarlet letter" as a description of that), it seems while England enjoyed an age of freedom, hedonism and decadence, at least for a little while. John Wilmot was, it seems, King Charles II's favourite critic. Sometimes he drove it too far and was banned from court or even thrown into prison (for insulting the king, as far as I remember), but King Charles II always forgave him and reinstalled him in court.
John Wilmot started out as a very sensitive, intelligent, idealistic youth, but lost his illusions when he was sent into battle, eventually, after experiencing the reckless hedonism and decadence at King Charls II's court, he turned into a cynic. Not that he did not join in the orgies, the sex, the drinking bacchanals and all that, but he also wrote poetry about it which shows his attitude.
The book describes his slow descent into alcoholism, decadence and disease. He finally died of syphilis and several other venereal diseases he had contracted from prostitutes, in combination with alcoholism, mainly an addiction to absinthe. The last month of his life he was constantly drunk for 30 days.
I finally had to stop reading the book because, as we all know, one starts to identify with the hero of a book after reading it intensely, after a while, and I could feel myself descending and spiraling into a dark murky and sinister abyss of decadance and depression, and started to wonder if a glass of wine or two a day would make me an alcoholic...; )
But I treasure many of the things he said, and here I will give you two parts of his poems:

Trust not the thing called woman: she is worse
Than all the ingredients crammed into a curse.
Were she but ugly, peevish, proud, a whore,
Poxed, painted, perjured, so she were no more,
I could forgive her, and connive at this,
Alleging still she but a woman is.
But she is worse: in time she will forestall
The devil, and be the damning of us all.
******************

But mark what creatures women are:
How infinitely vile, when fair!
Advertisement
Advertisement
  • Unsu...
     

    Re: So Idle a Rogue

    Fri, June 12, 2009 - 8:00 AM
    "I finally had to stop reading the book because, as we all know, one starts to identify with the hero of a book after reading it intensely, after a while, and I could feel myself descending and spiraling into a dark murky and sinister abyss of decadance and depression, and started to wonder if a glass of wine or two a day would make me an alcoholic...; )"

    ---we all know this, that you come to "identify with the hero," so if you read a book about a depressed alcoholic, you may "descend" into alcoholism and depression yourself? Please. That is one of the most self-indulgent and weak minded things I have ever read in a discussion about books and literature.

    I admire your taste in literature, but your take on the things you read is, well, just silly.
    • Re: So Idle a Rogue

      Fri, June 12, 2009 - 8:09 AM
      I know, it was silly, I said so, and that is exactly the reason why I stopped reading. And drinking absinthe while doing so. ; ) A bit of decadence here and there is fun though.
      • Re: So Idle a Rogue

        Fri, June 12, 2009 - 9:12 AM
        And keep in mind that Germans, contrary to their reputation, sometimes do have a sense of humour, you just may not be able to catch it at first sight. Culture shock and all that. ; )
        • Unsu...
           

          Re: So Idle a Rogue

          Fri, June 12, 2009 - 11:32 AM
          "And keep in mind that Germans, contrary to their reputation, sometimes do have a sense of humour, you just may not be able to catch it at first sight. Culture shock and all that. ; )"

          ---Germans have a sense of humor, no doubt, but merely being German does not mean you have one in your possession. I shall have my committee of humor analysts reevauluate your postings specifically under the context of "German humor," just in case we have been unfair in our assessment.
          • Unsu...
             

            Re: So Idle a Rogue

            Sat, June 13, 2009 - 5:48 AM
            The committee has returned with their results.

            It does test positive for humor. Lab results indicate it is the German strain of humor but that it has been mutated with English and internet.
      • Unsu...
         

        Re: So Idle a Rogue

        Fri, June 12, 2009 - 11:25 AM
        I wasn't taking issue with your decadence. It was with the self indulgance.
        • Unsu...
           

          Re: So Idle a Rogue

          Fri, June 12, 2009 - 11:29 AM
          Now you're taking issue, too? Step aside, fruit. I can handle this one myself.
          • Re: So Idle a Rogue

            Sat, June 13, 2009 - 7:06 AM
            Lord Rochester's blog:

            "I rise at eleven; I dine about two;
            I get drunk before seven and the next thing I do,
            I send for my whore, when for fear of the clap,
            I dally around her and spew in her lap.
            Then we quarrel and scold, til I fall aslepp
            When the jilt growing bold, to my pocket does creep.
            Then slyly she leaves me and to revenge the affront,
            At once both my lass and my money I want.
            If by chance then I wake, hot-headed and drunk,
            What a coyl do I make for the loss of my punk!
            I storm and I roar and I fall in a rage,
            And missing my lass, I fall on my page;
            Then crop-sick, all morning I rail at my men,
            And in bed I lie yawning til eleven, again. "

Recent topics in "I just finished reading..."