historic fictional novels

topic posted Fri, March 2, 2007 - 9:47 AM by  samara☀
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I love to read historic fictional novels- I recently read the Dark Queen and the Cortisan by Susan Carroll and Pirates by Celia Rees- all of which were pretty good. Any other suggestions from anyone?
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    Fri, March 2, 2007 - 9:54 AM
    If you're interested in the formation of the Tokugawa shogunate that eventually ruled Japan from 1600 to 1868 (and let's face it...who isn't?), I highly recommend both "Musashi" and "Taiko", by Eiji Yoshikawa. Both describe the political machinations, battle plans, and daily life in post Ashikaga Japan, after the infamous Battle of Sekigahara in 1600. Great, heady stuff!
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      Fri, March 2, 2007 - 10:41 AM
      I don't like historic fiction novels
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        Fri, March 2, 2007 - 10:53 AM
        Elucidation: I did not like the movie Braveheart either
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          Fri, March 2, 2007 - 11:25 AM
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          I'm a fence sitter myself. A lot of historical novels are just plain silly. I love Gordianus the Finder, and Benjemin January even though both series have the 2nd strike of being mysteries (another just plain silly genre) but are both well-written, by trained historians and manage to illuminate both the past and the eternals of human nature. 15 years ago or more, I sort of realized that while with most genres there is a deep formula that is repeated in most examples, that ANY genre can be used by a good writer to tell a story that interests that writer, and that can make a good book no matter how dubious the parentage.

          So, first off, you don't have to open this thread. There are many threads I never read or only open once in this and other tribes. And having opened it, you don't have to dismiss the entire subject when it's barely started.

          And 2nd of all, after dismissing it, you don't have to do it again.
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            Fri, March 2, 2007 - 11:39 AM
            Well I was not dismissing it .... and did not want to seem too dismissive. This subject interests me. But I think I will be speaking from this side of the fence on this account. Since it is a subject of conversation quite often among my reading companions. But thanks and surely other people will feel free to say if they either like or do not like historic novels.
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              Fri, March 2, 2007 - 12:03 PM
              Girl with the Pearl Earring by Tracey Chevalier...and The Virgin Blue by Chevalier as well, though this one also tells a present day story. Those are just the two most recent ones I've read.
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                Fri, March 2, 2007 - 12:11 PM
                my favorite historical fiction novel: VINDICATION by frances sherwood about the life and times of Mary Wollestonecraft (Mary Shelley's mother). it's a very well-written page turner.
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    Fri, March 2, 2007 - 2:11 PM
    Aubrey/Maturin series by Patrick O'Brian.
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      Fri, March 2, 2007 - 6:06 PM
      Oh!! Try the ALIENIST- Caleb Carr
      Set in the early 18th Century New York, the beginning of modern criminal profiling in pursuit of a psycho.
      Before psycho was a word.
      And kids still smoked stogies
      And cocaine was good for you!!
      ...
      Dammit.
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        Fri, March 2, 2007 - 7:20 PM
        Oddly I have read more historical fiction lately than I ever imagined. John Berendt is pretty amazing--Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil fame, but I really liked The City of Falling Angels. These are really the stories of cities. Falling Angels the investigation of the fire that destroys the Fenice Opera House, but really a tale of Venice. Devil in the White City also amazing for its intertwining of the rise of Chicago architecture, a world fair, and a serial killer. Being in Chicago at the time it really made me appreciate that city. Ross King also a favorite for Brunellleschi's Dome and Michelanglo & the Pope's Ceiling. Both really give you a feel for art and architecture of the Renaissance. Good historical fiction really seems to do just that....intertwines a good tale with history.

        ....which brings me to Susan Sontag's The Volcano Lover. Set in the 18th Century in Naples, this book is just luscious. The art and history does more than provide a backdrop for this tale. The love tale can not be separated from its seductive setting. Okay, I'm pretty obsessed with this one at the moment---shall have to give it a separate posting, just too much to elaborate upon.
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          Fri, March 2, 2007 - 7:35 PM
          "....which brings me to Susan Sontag's The Volcano Lover.'

          Yes, this was such a surprise coming from Sontag (her previous novels are very very different), but it is a wonderful book.
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        Tue, March 6, 2007 - 8:03 AM
        I also loved The Alienist! Still one of my faves. Carr does an amazing job of blending nascent psychological profiling, sociology, politics, history in a well-paced tale with decent character development. This was a can't-put-it-down book for me.

        Devil in the White City (Erik Larson) was also pretty good, if a bit heavy-handed in its suspense-building cues. It tells the (true-ish) story of a serial killer who used the Chicago World's Fair in 1893 as his hunting ground. As sensationalist as that sounds, this book accurately and accessibly tells the story of building the Chicago World's Fair, which I found surprisingly interesting.

        I think historical fiction often gets a bad rap (like the mystery genre) because, let's face it, there is a LOT of crap out there calling itself historical fiction. As Crypto mentioned, above, any genre can be done well in the hands of a good storyteller with something to say, so while I don't read much historical fiction, I do really enjoy stumbling across an occasional good work.
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          Tue, March 6, 2007 - 11:09 AM
          I like Gary Jennings - despite the facts that many of his characters are gruesome and he has a kink for bizarre death scenes, I find his work to be entertaining and educational. I have used several of his enormous books as excuses to research history and language. My first find, "The Journeyer" is still my favorite!
          I am looking forward to reading some other things on this thread - thanks for posting.
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        Fri, January 2, 2009 - 6:03 AM
        The Alienist is a good read but I wouldn't really consider it historical fiction in that it isn't a fictional retelling of actual people and events. Although there are appearances by historical figures, most notably Theodore Roosevelt who was the New York City Police Commissioner during the time period that the novel takes place, the central characters and events are fictional. The sequel to The Alienist, The Angel of Darkness is a good book to.
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    Fri, March 2, 2007 - 8:04 PM
    Among my favorites (none of which will _ever_ be mistaken for the literary equivalent of 'Braveheart'!) are the following:

    'Summer Will Show' and 'The Corner that Held Them' by Sylvia Townsend Warner (the first deals with the Paris Revolution of 1848; the second is set in a convent in 14th-century Norfolk. Both are remarkable novels. Warner wrote another historical novel, 'The Flint Anchor' that's nearly as good, although harder to find.)

    Godric by Frederick Buechner (a retelling of the life of the 12th-century saint, Godric of Finchale, a hermit. Buechner's also written a novel about 5th-century Ireland's Saint Brendan the Navigator titled, funnily enough, 'Brendan'.)

    The Master by Colm Toibin (Toibin's take on Henry James)

    Holy Week (La Semaine sainte) by Louis Aragon (a wonderful, technically inventive novel that details the flight of Louis XVIII and the very brief return to power of Napoleon in 1815.)

    Memoirs of Hadrian by Marguerite Yourcenar (a very subtle, psychologically astute retelling of the life of the 2nd century Roman emperor, Hadrian.)

    The Death of Virgil by Hermann Broch (er...it's about Virgil and the Aenied and Virgil's deathbed request that the poem be burned because it was "imperfect" and..stuff...)
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      Fri, March 2, 2007 - 8:30 PM
      I've grown to appreciate Historical Fiction. Here are a few of my favorites:

      Ride the Wind, by Lucia St. Clair Robson. A wonderfully heartbreaking story of a white woman adopted into an Indian tribe.

      Shogun, by James Clavell. Masterful blend of history and fiction of a great transition in Japanese history. Each time I reread it, I come away with a new insight.

      The Bastard, by John Jakes. Greatly overlooked by the his-fic crowd because of the TV movie done in its wake. The characterizations of the Founding Fathers are terrific, and quite accurate.

      The Outlaw of Torn, by Edgar Rice Burroughs. An inventive tale of a largely-overlooked period of English history, which takes place just before the Magna Carta was signed.
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        Mon, March 5, 2007 - 4:24 AM
        I love historical fiction. You learn about the world, the past and people.

        'The Agony and the Ecstasy' by Irving Stone is a beautiful book about the life of Michaelangelo

        'The Name of the Rose' by Umberto Eco, a medieval murder mystery set in the world of science, books and monasteries

        The Matthew Bartholomew series by Susanna Gregory is a mystery series following the exploits of a thirteenth century physician in Cambridge.
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    Tue, March 6, 2007 - 12:19 PM
    I like Colleen McCullough's series about the period when the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire. It's a fascinating time, when history shifted dramatically because of the actions of a few men, and she brought those men--characters like Sulla and Gaius Marius--to life. In the most recent one I read, though, I got a little annoyed at her portrayal of Julius Caesar--a little too "all the women want him and all the men want to be him", compared to her more nuanced portraits of other people from the period.

    In case you want to try them, the first one is called "The First Man in Rome."
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      Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:29 PM
      I just joined this tribe. I used to read a LOT. Now a days not as much. I've read a number of historical fiction novels. I have to agree with Morgan's post from over a year ago:

      >> I like Colleen McCullough's series about the period when the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire. It's a fascinating time, when history shifted dramatically because of the actions of a few men, and she brought those men--characters like Sulla and Gaius Marius--to life. In the most recent one I read, though, I got a little annoyed at her portrayal of Julius Caesar--a little too "all the women want him and all the men want to be him", compared to her more nuanced portraits of other people from the period.

      In case you want to try them, the first one is called "The First Man in Rome." <<

      This series is really good. And I wasn't at all annoyed with the author's portrayal of Caesar. I believe my favorite in the series is the book "Caesar's Women".
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    Tue, March 6, 2007 - 4:20 PM
    I haven't read all that many historical fiction novels, but I really liked Philippa Gregory's "The Queen's Fool" as well as "The Boleyn Inheritance". I've just started reading "The Constant Princess" by Gregory as well. They're really good if you like the Tudor period, which I do, I find it interesting.
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    Tue, March 6, 2007 - 4:24 PM
    I liked "The Birth of Venus" by Sarah Dunant and "The Lady and the Unicorn" by Tracy Chevalier.
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      Tue, March 6, 2007 - 10:01 PM
      I loved the Tales of the Otori by Lian Hearn. The first book is Across the Nightingale Floor. It's not historically accurate (setting is similar to feudal Japan) but totally gripping!
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        Tue, March 6, 2007 - 10:26 PM
        lately i have read several novels by steve berry, which are set in the present but concern themselves with the past. quite interesting and topical reading, although very easily forgotten. he tells a good story, but characters are not memorable.
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        Sun, December 9, 2007 - 2:50 AM
        <<Across the Nightingale Floor>>

        I have just finished reading all four of the trilogy.. Yep - he must have thought he had another one in him after completing the third book.

        I found them an easy and well paced read with good characterisations, themes and plots. I am not sure I would describe them exactly as "historical fiction" but I like these sort of books set in Feudal Japan and there was certainly strong echoes of history and culture in the books.

        I must have liked them - powered through them is less than a couple of weeks while reading other stuff as well...
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          Sun, December 9, 2007 - 10:14 AM
          Here is a great Canadian Alternate Historical novel I've read and I strongly recommend. It's fairly new (2005) and is Boyden's first novel.

          "Tree Day Road" by Joseph Boyden - Penguin Books

          Inspired in part by real-life World War I Ojibwa hero Francis Pegahmagabow, Three Day Road reinvents the tradition of such Great War epics as Birdsong and All Quiet on the Western Front. Beautifully written and told with unblinking focus, it is a remarkable tale, one of brutality, survival, and rebirth.

          Let me know how you liked it!
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    Sun, December 9, 2007 - 7:51 PM
    I'd recommend Ahab's Wife: Or, The Star-Gazer: A Novel by Sena Jeter Naslund --one of my all-time favourite books.
    It's one of those long adventures that you never want to end. (speaking for myself!)
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      Mon, December 10, 2007 - 12:35 AM
      Through a Glass Darkly... I really liked the characters.
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        Mon, December 10, 2007 - 10:13 AM
        Phillipa Gregory is laudable as a writer in many ways.

        <lately i have read several novels by steve berry, which are set in the present but concern themselves with the past. quite interesting and topical reading, although very easily forgotten. he tells a good story, but characters are not memorable. >

        Theodore Dreiser's "Sister Carrie" the opposite of the above statement. What a "novel" I got the story in it, and his characters are unforgettable but they are novels dern it. Not Historic Fiction. Big question mark hanging right over my head....So another topic when is it a novel and when is it historic fiction. Why don't we just read history more often.
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    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 8:33 AM
    If you also like Science Fiction, read 1632. It's a very accurate picture of the 30 years war in Europe, from the view of a small town from now, dropped in the middle of it.
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    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:09 AM
    "Saving the World" by Julia Alvarez

    www.powells.com/biblio/156512510x

    It's a great book about the history of one of the first vaccines - smallpox. Francisco Xavier Balmis, using orphans, figures out that if you infected with smallpox at a specific moment of infection you can become immune. He sailed around the world, primarily to Spanish colonies, immunizing as many people as possible. It sounds so fantastic, but I did some research after reading this book and it's very true - there's even a statue of him in Mexico city. It's truly an important piece to our human/cultural/medical history and I'm so glad a co-worker lent it to me. I definitely recommend it.

    Not sure if it's considered "historical fiction" since it's about a time in the past - "The Red Tent" by Anita Diamant. It's a fictional story of biblical characters. I was brought up buddhist so I have pretty much little to no understanding/history with Christianity and I found this book to be just a very good story - not really religious at all. Surprising considering the content. My sister lent it to me and said she felt every woman should read it and I have to agree. A very empowering story about women's roles in the family/history/our bodies/our selves/our connection to other women. Highly recommend this.
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      Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:14 AM
      I found the Red Tent hokey rather than empowering. It was okay until she got married, but the whole ending up in Egypt thing was pretty silly. Interesting attempt to animate a background character in the Old Testament, but ultimately rang hollow. Good writing though. And I have a heck of a time beliving that these women had enough food to be menstruating every single month.
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        Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:18 AM
        >>I found the Red Tent hokey rather than empowering.<<

        Interesting. I wonder what other people thought (please share!). I liked it a lot, along with several of my friends. I have to agree about the ending - I remember it losing steam by them, but all in all a good read to me.
  • I'm SOOOOOO glad you asked!!!

    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 11:06 AM
    HAHAHA! I get to recommend my ALL TIME FAVORITE BOOK OF ALL TIME, since it happens to be a historical fiction. "Cryptonomicon" by my favorite author, Neal Stephenson. Neal Stephenson is the bestest! He's so grandifulous I have to make up words to exemplimorphilate my intensity of emotion. He is a wordsmith. And the book is not for everyone, evidently. But if you love words, love language and prose and can wait until the end of a book for conclusions then read it. If you enjoy creative thoughts that go on tangents that may not move the plot forward causing the book to be over 500 pages long then read it. If you want something exciting to happen every chapter, read Harry Potter. Of course, that's not historical fiction. And I'm not knocking Harry, I'm just saying what "Cryptonomicon" is NOT. Happy reading!
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    Sun, December 30, 2007 - 8:40 AM
    Steven Pressfield has written several novels that take place in ancient Greece. They are know to be extensively and accurately researched, and they are very well written. A real treat if you're fascinated by Classical times--and a great read even if you're not. I'm finishing up Gates of Fire right now, which is about the battle of Thermopylae. The novel is part of the syllabus of the US Marine academy (or something like that) because it really delves into the psychology of fear and courage, and the life of a soldier. And it's a gripping story, too.
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      Sun, December 30, 2007 - 4:51 PM
      The Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley- one of my favorite historical fiction novels of all time.

      Another favorite is Katherine by Anya Seton. It's out of print, but if you can find a copy it is WELL worth the read. It's set in England during the 1500's, and follow the life of Katherine Seton- future wife of John of Gaunt. It is one of the best, most richly imagined and lush novels I have ever read.
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    Sun, December 30, 2007 - 10:32 PM
    OH MY GOD !!!!!!!

    I have done you all a great disservice my not telling you about my favourite, I MEAN MY FAVOURITE, books which just happen to be historical fiction novels.

    They deserve their own thread ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/th...7bb
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      Sun, January 6, 2008 - 3:05 PM
      My favourite hostorical novels are:

      Sarah Dunant - Birth of Venus and In the Company of the Courtesan (both set in Renaissance Venice)
      Margaret Atwood - Alias Grace
      Kathryn Harrison - Poison (two women, one poor accused of witchcraft, one married to King of Spain, Spanish Inquisition) A Superlative read
      Peter Ackroyd - Chatterton (a magical weave of modern and Elizabethan worlds centering around a portrait of Shakespeare's contemporary, Thomas Chatterton)
      Peter Ackroyd - The Lambs of London (Charles and Mary Lamb who wrote what was to become a perennial paraphrase of Shakespeare's tales)
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    Wed, January 9, 2008 - 9:55 PM
    I enjoyed the Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon. Not in any way serious literature, but very entertaining. She also has another series of historical mysteries, The Lord John series, a bit lighter and funnier, but also good with atmostphere.

    I wonder - how can a modern author really get into the mindset of people in a different historical time. I often come across jarring anachronisms of thought and opinion in historical fiction. Any thoughtsÉ
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      Wed, January 9, 2008 - 9:57 PM
      Good research. Ability to get into the heads of people already. And it ain't ever going to be perfect. Even if it were, there might need to be some sort of "translation" for us to understand. While I think sexual love has always existed, the "companionate marraige" is relitively new. Yet it's in a lot of those historic novels.
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    Mon, January 14, 2008 - 5:54 AM
    sexing the cherry- jeanette winterson
    the passion- jeanette winterson
    the egyptologist- arthur philips

    i love historical fiction. it's brilliant.

    o, and try the english patient. so lovely. and about ww2 cartographers as much as a love story.
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    Mon, January 14, 2008 - 4:36 PM
    I love The Flashman Papers by George MacDonald Fraser. I just finished Cane River by Lalita Tademy...I may have that name wrong. It's set in Mississippi and covers 4 generations of women in the author's family.
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    Thu, December 18, 2008 - 1:56 PM
    I just finished Falling Angels by Tracy Chevalier... another historical fiction. I can't say it gave me any insight into women's suffrage, but what I find most interesting about her writing is how each chapter is told in the first person by a different character. It makes me feel more attached to each of the individuals, seeing their world through their eyes this way.
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      Fri, December 19, 2008 - 8:12 AM
      The Angelique series by Sergeanne Golon.
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        Fri, December 19, 2008 - 12:22 PM
        Oh!! Try the ALIENIST- Caleb Carr

        that s the one I was going to say
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          Mon, December 22, 2008 - 4:46 PM
          Check out the "Brethern" Trilogy by British Author Robin Young
          I have read the first two (the third one should be out sometime in 2009?) and I thought that both were excellent pieces of Historical fiction set during the Holy Crusades in the 15th century dealing with a secret order within the Knight Templar and political and religious intrigue both with the Christians and the Muslims during this time

          The story kind of reminded me of an excellent Movie that came out a few years back "Kingdom of Heaven" directed by Tony Scott and starring Orlando Bloom
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    Mon, December 22, 2008 - 6:42 PM
    midnight's children... that's historical right?
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      Tue, December 23, 2008 - 2:00 PM
      Midnight's children? Why does that sound so familiar?
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        Wed, December 31, 2008 - 8:44 PM
        Have any of you read 'Follow the River' by James Alexander Thom? It is not new, I read it years ago, but still think of it now and again. It's an incredible story based on historical facts of a woman who was kidnapped by Native Americans, escaped and had to make her way home again without food for the journey. It's an incredible story of bravery and very readable. I highly recommend it.

        Another book of his I still think about years after reading is called 'The Children of First Man'. It is perhaps a mix of historical fiction and fantasy, or at least some of what he leads you to believe about the first Europeans in America has not been proven. But I found that I believed his take on how it very likely may have happened.
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          Thu, January 1, 2009 - 8:33 AM
          "midnight's children... that's historical right?"

          Post-colonial literature works through the process of "writing back", "re-writing", and "re-reading".

          Midnight's Children is a loose allegory for events in India both before and, primarily, after the independence and partition of India, which took place at midnight on 15 August 1947.
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            Thu, January 1, 2009 - 4:46 PM
            Midnight's Children sparked my interest so I just looked it up and realized I read it a while back. Salman Rushdie. It's okay.

            I love looking at books on Amazon.com. I occasionally buy used books through Amazon, but I open up their site often to look at the book reviews, also to see the related books of a book I like, and sometimes realize I've actually read the book in question, and just had forgotten.

            I used to keep a sort of book diary in which I'd write the name and author of a book I'd just finished and a brief review. I started this when I found I was getting used books at times which I'd already read once, and so the book diary helped me remember what I had read already.
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    Mon, January 19, 2009 - 4:02 PM
    Just finished "Loving Frank" ... it definitely gave me more to think about regarding the expected roles of women in those times before/during suffrage. Did some research, and the ending was historically accurate. Quite stunning.
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      Mon, January 19, 2009 - 5:09 PM
      There's a book I really enjoyed that isn't probably classified as historical fiction, but takes place in historical times in London. I think many here would like it, too. It's called 'Tipping the Velvet' by Sarah Waters. It's the story of a young woman who discovers her love for other women, and her passion for entertaining. It's a rare look into the life of gay woman in historical times and beautifully written. I loved it.

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