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"The Terror Dream" by Susan Faludi.
Explains how 911 and fear of terrorism were exploited by the reactionaries to help further destroy feminism and women's rights.
Explains how 911 and fear of terrorism were exploited by the reactionaries to help further destroy feminism and women's rights.
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Re: "The Terror Dream"
Sat, June 13, 2009 - 8:23 PM????????????? The political answer to science fiction?
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 9:18 PMfurther destroy feminism and women's rights where?
and who are the reactionaries in this scenario? -
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Sat, June 13, 2009 - 9:42 PMMaybe it said that women should stay at home now and cook stews for their men while the husbands, fathers and sons are out defending their heroic country from monsters and saving "American democracy". I donIt really wanna read the review on amazon if there is one. ; P
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 8:19 AMI read the book and thought it made a pretty compelling argument. Certainly not the stuff of science fiction. It's all based upon facts, she cites all her sources.
She didn't say that 911 was orchestrated to discredit feminism, if that is what you thought Rajelee was saying. Rather, she was saying that the enemies of feminism and women's rights seized upon the general sense of fear that gripped the US after 911 to further push their agenda against women. It was kinda a final nail in the coffin type of event.
It becomes pretty clear if you read the book. It's not a conspiracy theory. Unlike conspiracy theorists, all of her facts are actual facts that you can verify from mainstream, respected factual sources. There are no invented facts, hearsay or the like.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 11:37 AM9/11 was the final nail in the coffin of feminism? ; )
People in the US always seize upon the general sense of fear to push their agenda, no matter what the agenda is. Seems to be part of the Amercan mentality to fall for that stuff. The other technique is to find a scapegoat to blame all the problems on so that the rest of the group can feel "united and strong". The 3rd way to write a bestseller or to sell your product in the US is to create a fictitious problem, sell it to people and then offer "the only possible brilliant solution" that you, the genius, just hit upon.
Anyway, that book sounds too unoriginal and your description is too vague to get me interested. -
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 3:25 PM"The other technique is to find a scapegoat to blame all the problems on so that the rest of the group can feel "united and strong".
---we got from the Naiz German playbook. How many million died because the Germans, supposedly the most advanced European civilization, fell for that? Oh, about 12 million in the death camps alone, plus the hundred million people who died because of WWII.
I suppose now you will start in with your defense again, your claim that "I'm not anti-semetic. I'm German!" That's an actual Canela quote, folks.
What a riot. You are a trip.
As for you not being interested in the book, yes, you've made that clear, you say you won't even read a review of it. That's rather closed minded of you., don't you think? The book created quite a stir. But I guess if a book is written by an American, it is beneath your keen European intellect? LOL. -
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 8:28 PM"But I guess if a book is written by an American, it is beneath your keen European intellect? LOL. "
Victim consciousness already?
I read American books, I am just not into those kind of bestsellers.
You do have a point though about my European intellect. ; )
As for the rest (the utmost importance of everyone else reading the same book you happen to like), you are starting to sound like Bob.
And if you really got that from the Nazi playbook, as you believe, how come you still have not learned your lesson?; ) -
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 10:28 PMCanela, you make no sense whatsoever. I think you do too much drugs.
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Sun, June 14, 2009 - 9:19 PMAny book that makes people think, or teaches them something, anything really, but especially when it is addressing human rights is worthy of attention.
It means so very much to me that a book like this, and books like "lies my teacher told me" are bestsellers. -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 4:29 AMI haven't read the book or know anything about it. But I can easily see how the argument could be made. Almost any major crisis is used by the powerful or those seeking power to further their agenda. Whether it is by claiming a hurricane is god's punishment for immorality or as a reason to go to war.
We didn't learn it from the NAZIs and the NAZIs certainly didn't invent the idea. The tactic of exploiting catastrophe and crisis to further political agendas has been around as long as politics. -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 6:09 AMBink, you are right but exploiting catastrophe has been around even longer, as long as superstition and any kind of "religion". Who were those guys who would have their astronomer calculate an eclipse of the sun or the moon and then claim it was doomsday coming/God's punishment for whatever/the Sun Goddess being angry etcetcetc?
This stuff is just about as logical and scientifically sound as saying "masturbation leads to the softening of the brain and eventual insanity". ; ) Life is too short to waste your time and support the publishers of all the books of this kind of genre. Unless you wanna use it as a replacement for getting an education in critical thinking. -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 6:34 AM"Life is too short to waste your time and support the publishers of all the books of this kind of genre.."
-- Canela now proclaims the book should not have even been published, yet she's never read the book, hasn't read a review of it, and apparently has never even heard of the author.
"Unless you wanna use it as a replacement for getting an education in critical thinking."
---Susan Faludi has a far superior eduction to yours and is a respected, if sometimes controversial, scholar and writer. You, by contrast, are a strange little German hippy druggie girl expat who has consisently demonstrated a complete lack of critcal thinking here on tribe.net.
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 7:37 AMThis desire to censor, Canela, is a consistent theme of yours.
You wanted a new moderator because you erroneously thought a new moderator would "shut up" your opponents.
You disagree with Susan Faludi, so you urge that her book should not have been published.
How do you reconcile your deep longing for censorship with your professed love of books?
It's a German thing, isn't it? LOL!
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:03 AMCanela,
Why don't you just write us a list of books that YOU think are acceptable to read, and a list of what we SHOULD think, who we SHOULD and SHOULDN'T listen to and get it out of your system already! Give people a choice to AGREE with your perspective instead of dictating and trying to insult/shame people into your point of view. I can't even imagine you speaking to actually living breathing human beings in real life like you do here. It's a headscratcher that you would deign to spend time denouncing a book that is too far beneath you to even read.
*Just my personal opinion here, but reading a book about human rights might be just what the doctor ordered.
Devils Advocate: Damn man! You make so many really good points, but Nazi's and Germans are not the same. As I understand it buying into idealogical Nationalism is how the NAZI's manipulated the support of the German people. VERY much like how Nationalism swept through America quite recently in the guise of "Patriotism". If there was name for Bush's regime like "Nazi" I would be outraged to have people lump me and my children and my childrens children into "Bush-ism" just because we are Americans, and would experience it as bigotry. I do understand what you were saying to Canela (believe me I am having the same issues), and I know you were refering to the Nazi mindset and not the German peoples. But how you said it was just as offensive to German peoples as Canela's America comment- and it's not their fault that Canela happens to live there either.
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:18 AM"how you said it was just as offensive to German peoples as Canela's America comment- and it's not their fault that Canela happens to live there either."
This is priceless, Christina, hehe. ; )
And by the way, you are perfectly free to read whatever you want, Christina, just don't upset if I am not interested in the same things you are, okay?
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 2:43 PMChristina:
I wasn't really intending to get into a deep discussion of the histoy of Nazi Germany and so on. It is a very tangential point in a rebuttal to a ridiculous assertion by Canela about the United States.
The point was that Canela really has no place to dismiss the USA as a bunch of scapegoaters, given Germany's place in history as the worst scapegoaters in the history of mankind.
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 4:19 PMI wrote: And if you really got that from the Nazi playbook, as you believe, how come you still have not learned your lesson?; )
And you really claim that you don't know what I am talking about? -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 8:52 PMRight, to troll or not to troll, that is the question. What I am saying is not really the point.; )
Whatever. SOT is trying to find a book for me that I might like. And I keep questioning his motives for that. -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:11 PMBut I don't think he cares.
You are but idle amusement for him. -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:40 PMWell, we are wondering what he is doing on the book tribe of all places anyway.,And now all his cronies, incl. you are starting to float in here, posting copy and paste jobs like the first page of "Mein Kampf" in a desperate but unimaginative attempt at trolling for beginners. Idle indeed, or posting tiddle-taddle. Do you read, a.m.? ; P -
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Mon, June 15, 2009 - 9:53 PMI'm inspired to read more of the DSM IV. -
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Re: "The Terror Dream"
Mon, June 15, 2009 - 10:41 PMI'm recommending the Mary Kay book to her.
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