The Omnivores Delimma

topic posted Mon, April 28, 2008 - 7:50 AM by  Victoria
Great great book. It was a quick airport pick up read. One of those books you pay too much for but you have a 3 hour flight ahead of you and you have finished all your magazines.

I could not put it down. It makes me desperately want to support local farms and really question the organics I'm buying. Unfortunately, I've come to find Dallas doesn't really have a lot small organic or grass fed farms.

Sometimes its hard to think global and act local.
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Victoria
Dallas
  • Re: The Omnivores Delimma

    Mon, April 28, 2008 - 1:39 PM
    That was an excellent book and it did make you question the organics that we buy. I live in an area the is very focused on sustainable living and community supported agriculture, so I'm fortunate in that respect. Try looking into the Bioregional animism tribe you could pick up alot of useful information on that tribe.

    tribes.tribe.net/bioregionalanimism
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    Sat, May 3, 2008 - 2:44 AM
    I just know I'm going to get shit for this: I don't give a rat's ass about organics or the people who grow them. I live in Oregon (read as: surrounded by yuppies and "small organic" and "grass fed farms"), most of the organic farmers are assholes, I know, I went to school with their kids, who are also assholes. I'm sorry that's just how it's, I'd like to say that they are just as noble as you think, just as honest, but they aren't. They fall into to two categories: Dishonest and self-righteous, I get along well with the first group (mostly because I live in a tourist town and thus hate yuppies as they make up the bulk of all tourists) but the self-righteous ones are the most annoying people in the wold, they always give you things to help quit smoking within secants of learning of your vice, with out ever asking if you want to quit. I like smoking, allot, I don't want to quit. But never ever say that, they wont fucking stop talking for years. By the way check out the definition for "organic", all foods are "organic" and "all natural", guess what else is: A.D.S., the flu, cow shit, human growth hormone, your mom, sperm, night shade, and lots of other things I don't want to eat.
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    Tue, May 6, 2008 - 2:34 PM
    I read this book because I loved The Botany of Desire, and I enjoyed the Omnivores Dilemma, and In Defense of Food as well. what I tend to like about pollan's work is that he uses case studies to familiarize the reader with a certain idea, and then expands upon it.

    Hmm... Also being from Oregon, and from a tourist town, all of the nice people who own farms and nurseries I know must have been a fluke (including one of the nicest couples I've ever met, working full time jobs and still managing to run a small farm in Central Oregon). Yeah, some of them are dishonest, yeah, some of them are self righteous, but the majority of the ones I've met have just been people trying to scrape by doing something they enjoy.If you had actually read the book before commenting, you would remember that Pollan actually discusses the rampant dishonesty and/or unyielding self righteous nature of many organic farmers. though he does discuss it in different terms, and with different conclusions than you seem to.
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      Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:50 PM
      (This was allot longer before I was unplugged by my cat) Your right I was stereotyping, I'm sorry. I respect peoples right to live clean and healthy lives, but I can't respect any one who doesn't respect me. If you think the self righteous are the minority, I would have to assume this is because you have never had to defend your self for not feeling obligated to hate yourself for eating Macdonald's and hot pockets. (By the way, The Omnivores Delimma is now on my "to read" list... sorry for jumping to conclusions)
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        Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:58 AM
        I was a vegetarian for several years. When I started eating meat it was with a complete understanding of what the meat industry is like, and I accept it. Because I've researched the topic so well I can now just laugh when people try to tell me what I should eat. When you think about it's humorous most of the things people say, not that the particularly self righteous vegan can't unhinge me every now and then (THERE IS NOT PUSS IN ALL DAIRY PRODUCTS).

        Sorry,

        The main point I think, is that people should try to be aware. If you know where fast food, or meat, or industrial organic, or whatever food comes from, and you're completely fine with it, go ahead. It's being able to make n informed decision which is important.
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      Thu, May 8, 2008 - 12:30 PM
      I agree it was the case studies.

      I actually was having a conversation with someone about this book last night. They had heard it was the one who that was supposed to convince you to stop eating meat. I fixed her of that.

      Honestly, just made me question things a bit. I haven't really changed my eating patterns at the moment.

      But it does surprise me how many people think cows are supposed to eat corn???
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        Thu, May 8, 2008 - 7:30 PM
        I heard an interview with him by Terry Gross after Botany of Desire (but before I read it) but before this about an article in the New York Times magazine where he owned a cow and followed it's progress through the whole system of growing up and fattening up and what he said about the corn-feeding made it sound pretty sick. Is that in this book? I've hoped it was.

        We know nothing about food. 100 years ago, the bulk of hte population was still on farms. Farming's a hard life, but our ignorance costs us on many levels.
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          Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:58 PM
          <about an article in the New York Times magazine>

          I remember that article...it was absolutely amazing. And disgusting. Regardless of whether or not you eat meat, the sheer stupidity of how most meat-handling is done in the US is appalling. Since when did a cow naturally eat corn?? Such a sad story.
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    Wed, May 7, 2008 - 4:54 PM
    though I like the ideas Pollan brings up in his book(s), and believe that everyone should read this book, I find that his inability to hold each of his three "meals" in Omnivore's Dilemma to the same standards really ruins this book for me (despite my agreement with him in general practice and local organic or wildcrafted diet). If you are going to try to convince me of your opinion/plot, at least hold your only 3 plot elements to the same "science" before preaching to me which is "better."

    Pollan holds the first 2 "meals" to a standard he does not hold his "hunter/gatherer"meal to by continually adding up their environmental impact, yet he absolutely and completely disregards the fossil fuels consumed in getting out to hunt his food> not once but twice, with more than one vehicle involved. Plus he conveniently forgets to acknowledge or total in the fuel costs/energy consumed for the months the game required to cure - refrigerated the whole time. If you are going to pick apart fast foods and organic foods and hunted foods, keep right on picking - but consistently - is all I'm asking.
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      Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:21 PM
      Dang, too bad he couldn't just go up in the hills and shoot a deer. And have a spring room or some sort of cellar.
      We have a lot a deer and they need predation--but not enough to feed everyone.

      Did he discuss at all the effect the original hunter/gatherers had on the environment?
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        Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:18 PM
        Just to add my two cents......a really great book that follows a calf from birth on (and it's quoted in Omnivore's Dilemma) is "Portrait of a Burger as a Young Calf" by Peter Lovenheim. He gets to know the calf and a lot of farmers and other people involved in the farming or factory farming industry and doesn't end up a vegetarian at the end, although he certainly questions himself a few times.

        It's a good read.
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    Sun, May 18, 2008 - 6:42 AM
    I just moved to Dallas from Oregon this last winter and, yes, it is very hard to find Organic. Yes, I was spoiled in Oregon but here is what I have found locally and I am always open to hearing about other options locally.

    Costco: Yep. Costco has a freakin' boatload of organic stuff. You just have to look. I get Annie's organic pizzas, Annie's frozen Indian entrees, organic bread, crackers, spinach, carrots, cheese, green super food, wild Alaska salmon (in season) and TP (and lots of other stuff as well). They also carry organic beef and lamb, although I don't eat either.

    Tom Thumb: Tom Thumb is the same chain as Safeway in the NW. They have oodles of organic stuff mixed in all throughout the store. In Oregon, it was all put together in it's own section. here they put it in with similar items. So the organic mustard is sitting next to the other mustards, for example.

    There is a place east of Dallas that raises grass fed beef. I believe you have to put in an order earlier in the season and then you gotta have a freezer. I found them by going to the CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) website and searching by area. There is one (only one!) local CSA farm up in McKinney and I got on her waiting list last fall. I'm down something like 50 people on her waiting list. Argh!

    As a result, I am seriously considering growing my own veggies next year. I bought a house where through a very nice coincidence, the previous owners were into organic and didn't put any chemicals on the yard. I figure, with my work schedule, if I get the raised bed put together this year with the soaker houses and good dirt and mulch, then next year I can plant a real garden and I won't have to wait an eternity for clean veggies. Plus, I'm sure all the gazillions of local bunnies we see everywhere are going to love me!

    People have told me about the Dallas Farmers Market and while that sounds nifty, it is clear downtown and with gas approaching $4/gallon, I'm not driving downtown any time soon. Actually, there were 3 of us that moved out here from the Pacific NW to start the Dallas office and right now we carpool in to work to save on time and gas. But with gas prices what they are, we're considering taking the light rail in to work as our company will pay for the monthly pass. Geez. I hope it's not too scary what with Dallas being what it is.
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      Sun, May 18, 2008 - 8:46 AM
      All three great books, but I have to say that if we return to sustainable living within our bioregions, we will begin to return to a better physical health. We have become too dependent on food that is processed, trucked, and transported to our areas, much of which involves the use of oil, not only in the transportation, but also in the processing. Foods wrapped in plastics, Styrofoams, et.al.
      If we return to sustainable, organic living within our own spaces, we will foster a return to the "superfoods" that our ancestors once ate. The organic movement was an awesome thing, but I feel it has failed to a great degree because now we are transporting "organic foods" from other areas...I dont think that was the point. It will seriously take sustainable living in our own regions to make it truly organic.

      Another good read: Graham Harvey's, Animism: Respecting the Living World.
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        Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:09 AM
        Does the author talk about the social impact of mass food production? While factory farming is not necessarily good, the ability of a small portion of the population to produce enough food for the whole population is one of the most important contributing factors to social and technological advancement.

        I think Jared Diamond talks about it extensively in Guns, Germs and Steel and there are many other books and papers that address the subject in some manner.

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