Tribe.net. Local Connections $item.owner.firstName http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#596c5472-0c46-4c20-b22e-37f4ed165631 2009-06-23T13:39:57Z 2009-06-23T13:39:32Z

As I suspected: you have no credentials, just cheap sarcasim and transparent efforts to change the subject by creating hateful rumors that I am a man.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-06-23T13:39:32Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#c7e42be6-4440-483c-875c-57425d94c7cd 2009-06-23T04:50:52Z 2009-06-23T04:50:52Z

I wrote a PhD thesis on the modern day phenomenon of sorry characters who populate the internet, claim to know it all, not matter what the subject is, spend their time harrassing others and whining on their blog about "Where was SOT when I needed him?" hoping that others who are more stupid than themselves will read this and be sucked in. For this, I was given a postition in the department of psychiatry and international literature, to teach a mixture of classics, new age literature and trivial trash for those who fail in the other two subjects. . Now, can you at least dance, Rajalee? Lol. How do you hide your balls under cabaret style lurex bedlah?

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-23T04:50:52Z $item.owner.firstName http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#bb98c5d9-ff6e-40cb-b030-9c0f89ff39c8 2009-06-23T04:40:09Z 2009-06-23T04:40:09Z

"Jenna, since I teach this kind of stuff myself, I am obviously familiar with it. " That is a logical fallacy. You claim that because you teach the subject (ha ha, yeah, right) you are an authority and therefore you are right. It is called "appeal to authority." A form of logical fallacy. It is a fallacy because even if it is true that you teach, that doesn't mean you are right. But do tell. Tell us about your teaching credentials. LOL!

$item.owner.firstName 2009-06-23T04:40:09Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#42f117bb-5d4b-42b2-b9c6-33f899bf5f2a 2009-06-23T04:28:00Z 2009-06-23T04:28:00Z

Jenna, since I teach this kind of stuff myself, I am obviously familiar with it. The problem comes in when someone who has not read Reich's books claims that Reich tried to teach tantra to the modern world, when Reich, as a matter of fact, did not even know tantra, and then another person like you comes in without reading the whole discussion, complaining that everybody should have the right to say whatever they want about who Reich was, and what his research consisted off (presuming that those people even are aware of the fact that he did research), since this is a free country and everybody has the right to free speech. This is where the ridiclousness of all this comes in. ; ) You get my point now?

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-23T04:28:00Z Jenna http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#64b2264b-62d3-4d3c-b8b4-5de32c3d4177 2009-06-23T01:36:24Z 2009-06-23T01:36:24Z

I'm not your sweetie, Cupcake. And reading is subjective. That's why there are classes on Literature where groups of people discuss one book or story and come up with multiple meanings. Reading books is gathering information so you can study how the subject applies to you and YOUR truth, not taking one person's perspective and using it to attack others who may or may not agree with your one LIMITED opinion.

Jenna 2009-06-23T01:36:24Z candy cain http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#8dd3ba79-3ed4-41d3-af7e-3a497a2b3eaa 2009-06-22T23:09:01Z 2009-06-22T23:09:01Z

>>Wildapache, Marpa and I are having a dialogue, and we are in agreement with each other. Your problem may be that you do not understand what we are talking as you may be unfamiliar with Reich, have not read his books, and may have just arrived here as part of Sot's entourage with the intention to troll. (As has Ma'mo, Carl etcetc. It becomes obviously very quickly who is talking about books they have actually read and who isn't)<< my problem, canela, is with your inability to be in any tribe without being antagonistic and causing unnecessary disruption. what i know or do not know is not information you are privy to so your attempt to insult me in this falls flat as does your _incorrect_assumption that i only just arrived in this tribe - i have been a member here for years.

candy cain 2009-06-22T23:09:01Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#8ba8bdf2-1c6c-4a29-9705-9eb85f4c6131 2009-06-22T16:37:19Z 2009-06-22T16:37:19Z

So, here is your "tantra teacher", lots of laughs. "Shortly after his birth, the family moved south to a farm in Jujinetz, near Chernivtsi, Bukovina, where Reich's father took control of a cattle farm owned by his mother's family. Reich attributed his later interest in the study of sex and the biological basis of the emotions to his upbringing on the farm where, as he later put it, the “natural life functions” were never hidden from him.[12] Reich also spoke of witnessing the family's maid having intercourse with her boyfriend, and apparently later asking if he could “play” the part of the lover. He said that, by the time he was four years old, there were no secrets about sex for him.[10]" "Reich developed a theory that the ability to feel sexual love depended on a physical ability to make love with what he called “orgastic potency”. He attempted to measure the male orgasm, noting that four distinct phases occurred physiologically: first, the psychosexual build-up or tension; second, the tumescence of the penis, with an accompanying “charge”, which Reich measured electrically; third, an electrical discharge at the moment of orgasm; and fourth, the relaxation of the penis. He believed the force that he measured was a distinct type of energy present in all life forms and later called it “orgone”.[23]" source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich In tantra, the whole point is that the man does NOT orgasm, but since tantra is now often used as just an alibi to engage in what some people imagine to be "free sex", certain persons who fancy themselves to be "tantric practitioners" may not even know that much about the real thing.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T16:37:19Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#ec908f0a-2004-493e-a0dd-d0f627d71e95 2009-06-22T16:23:49Z 2009-06-22T16:23:49Z

Well, have you thought about why they saw it necessary to burn all his books just because that orgon box did not cure cancer? What a lame excuse for such a fascist act. The orgon box was never invented with the idea to cure cancer. Have you read "The function of the orgasm"? FDA, give me a break. : P Reich's teachings were dangerous in a political way and they knew that. Besides, in the US, religion still now has a lot more power than in 20th century Germany, and I am sure his teachings did not go down well with those churches either. The US does not really have a total separation of religion and politics, in my understanding, is that correct? "Prayer breakfasts" in the White House and all that? (unheard of in Europe, for all I know)

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T16:23:49Z Marpa http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#7253e585-44d8-4e3a-aa94-cfe304473ea6 2009-06-22T15:59:20Z 2009-06-22T15:59:20Z

>>There is a danger wouldn't you agree in believing a half truth is a whole truth?<< That is a valid danger, although I myself don't really know enough to calculate what fraction of which truths were involved. In my opinion, there is more of a danger in not bringing to light any portion of those truths that can be brought to light. I read things in posts here, like others not being able to replicate Reich's results, and I assume that's true, but I can't really believe Reich lied about his results. If he didn't, then he cured some people of cancer somehow. Rather than dismiss his work, if *I* were a scientist, I'd damn well want to know how he got the results he did rather than dismiss his work. But that's just me.

Marpa 2009-06-22T15:59:20Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#4ddbd9e6-7d5f-4a2b-90e8-fe847fc06bed 2009-06-22T14:29:23Z 2009-06-22T14:29:23Z

"so if someone disagrees with you then they haven't read the book?" Only if they make completely wrong assumptions about the author and the content of the book and post them here, Sweetie.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T14:29:23Z Bink http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#94a534c6-a28c-40ae-9ab3-42ca5777d4af 2009-06-22T11:58:02Z 2009-06-22T11:58:02Z

>>Bink, have you considered the possibility that the US government may have just been trying to find something to use as an official legal means to get rid of Reich and his writings?<< I had a much longer reply, but tribe crapped out and I didn't save it anywhere. So the shorter version, yes I considered it. But if the government was that gung ho to get rid of him and his writing, they probably would not have let him the country in the first place. Reich was and is a respected psychoanalyst and psychiatrist. But his orgone accumulator is most likely bunk as far as physics go. There was a surge of scientific interest in it in the 60s when his work was reprinted, but no one was ever able to duplicate the physical results. Two groups were able to replicate some his results as far as using it for psychotherapy, so it may have merit for treating mental health and any physical ailments resulting from mental health issues. However, Reich was claiming to cure ailments like cancer with it. Generally making unsubstantiated medical claims is considered fraud or worse. The courts were overzealous in destroying his work, especially by today's standards. When he was originally summoned for the injunction hearing, he refused to appear in court, claiming the government had no authority over him. Since he did not appear, there was no defense and the injunction was issued. A couple of years later he was cited for contempt of the injunction. This time he was forced to appear, but he refused representation. A good lawyer probably could have gotten the charges dismissed, but instead he got two years in jail for contempt of the court order. So have you considered the possibility that the FDA and the state were just trying to do their job and protect the people from fraudulent medical claims? They may have been overzealous about it, but he was a foreigner, communist sympathizer and was messing around with sex and it was the 50s. Not a time known for its liberalism, the deck was definitely stacked against him and he did not help by refusing to appear for the injunction hearing and refusing representation for the contempt hearing.

Bink 2009-06-22T11:58:02Z Jenna http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#09474dec-cd72-4099-ab50-a3a15ead61f0 2009-06-22T10:45:39Z 2009-06-22T10:45:39Z

Hmmmmm, so if someone disagrees with you then they haven't read the book? Your own blindsidedness and ignorance is astounding! Bravo!

Jenna 2009-06-22T10:45:39Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#ae8bad00-a487-4dc9-b32e-f21fe19cbb7d 2009-06-22T07:15:24Z 2009-06-22T07:15:24Z

Basically, all I was saying was that Bush seemed to try to bring the USA on a level with the nazis (again, this is probably gonna send the tomatoes flying, but this part is necessary to explain what I meant) which seems to have affected some more than others.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T07:15:24Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#fd02ab29-9e17-4a26-97d7-d4deb9154473 2009-06-22T07:10:09Z 2009-06-22T07:10:09Z

"We are not all ignorant pathetic hicks." I never claimed that all of you are. ; )

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T07:10:09Z lori http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#b6091575-21cb-42bf-bcb8-d8749ee72139 2009-06-22T04:59:41Z 2009-06-22T04:59:41Z

"Again, throwing around the word "troll" just shows a pathetifc lack of knowledge of dialectics, rhetorics and the entire art of debate which will hopefully be surrected in the USA too under Obama." Canela, those of us within the USA who have been fighting for a long time to right our lilting ship understand all too well the flaws of the country we live in, all too painfully well, but your tendency to paint all Americans with the same ugly tar brush is wearing a little thin. We are not all ignorant pathetic hicks.

lori 2009-06-22T04:59:41Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#02857100-6bdf-49ac-8296-61acc0bb2c32 2009-06-22T04:40:26Z 2009-06-22T04:40:26Z

whether have actually should have read "whether you have actually"

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T04:40:26Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#ce947e36-d0b3-467e-b4b7-9d4847678bb6 2009-06-22T04:39:27Z 2009-06-22T04:39:27Z

Has any of you checked whether Reich actually had ever heard of tantra ? Marpa said himself, he maybe should not have brought this up in connection to Reich. I am fairly sure that tantra was almost unknown in Germany and Austria during the 1920ies. And you, Christina, are easger to agree with Marpa on that point while I am still in doubt as to whether have actually ever read any of Reich's books. "Reich tried to bring tantra to the West", lol. Well, let's check it out. Who can come up with his exact bio first? I have to go to work now.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T04:39:27Z Christina http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#3e136316-dea2-4804-982c-acea5c337b5b 2009-06-22T03:52:31Z 2009-06-22T03:52:31Z

~In response to Marpa

Christina 2009-06-22T03:52:31Z Christina http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#07e1475d-21cb-4c05-9248-e76c9b76b6cb 2009-06-22T03:41:24Z 2009-06-22T03:41:24Z

Yes at least he tried, and did successfully widen the perspectives of many people who otherwise would not have been remotely exposed to those ideas. So it does count for something. There is a danger wouldn't you agree in believing a half truth is a whole truth?

Christina 2009-06-22T03:41:24Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#cf590ba2-b62c-4857-b076-6b25a7dc234e 2009-06-22T03:34:14Z 2009-06-22T03:34:14Z

Christina, i am a tantrika too. And don't talk to me about intelligence. If in doubt, check my bio. Actaully, I appreciate the rest of your input. You are correct about the point that yes, I bluffed about knowing the timeline between the kamasutra and tantra exactly. Do you? "I have noticed that whenever you are presented with an intelligent argument you respond by attempting to discredit the speaker." Exactly twice, yeah. Wildapache and you. See above. And Satan of tribe who you responded to in agreement, lol. "How many times have you accused someone of being a troll in the past month Canela? It just seems like you lack the ability to reposte with any kind of intelligence." Again, throwing around the word "troll" just shows a pathetifc lack of knowledge of dialectics, rhetorics and the entire art of debate which will hopefully be surrected in the USA too under Obama.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T03:34:14Z Christina http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#019dc4d5-0282-4a3c-a4f8-591ac2a7a87a 2009-06-22T02:57:58Z 2009-06-22T02:57:58Z

Canela I am a trantrika every single day of my life. I live this path. I also have been studying and practicing the occult for 17 years now, which is how I came to read Reich. So please tell me again that I am the one who does not understand tantra or Reich. If you knew more about Tantra it would change your esteem of Reich and his writings. You are WRONG about the timeline of tantra and the kamasutra. You can only bluff yourself into sounding like an expert if your audience is ignorant of the subject matter. Which unfortunately for you it is not. I have been a member of this tribe for a very long time, because I actually read a lot. I have noticed that whenever you are presented with an intelligent argument you respond by attempting to discredit the speaker. How many times have you accused someone of being a troll in the past month Canela? It just seems like you lack the ability to reposte with any kind of intelligence.

Christina 2009-06-22T02:57:58Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#132fdc91-83e3-4206-945c-2f04492e8692 2009-06-22T00:29:58Z 2009-06-22T00:29:58Z

As far as I can see, Christina does not really understand tantra nor what Reich wrote about. Reich's concepts are not really tantric as he does not talk about channeling and sublimating sexual energy into higher realms for spiritual and meditative purposes. Nor are the blockages he talks about directly comaparable or corresponding to the seven (or nine) chakras. Reich works concentrates on freeing sexual energy as such. Tantra came up at a time when Indians were still reading the kamasutra. While Reich's psychology (and yes, Christina, Reich was a psychologist which you don't seem to know either, as you are obviously just trying to please Sot, too) came up in the early 20th century in the West, a time and place where people's problems with sex and it's suppression were of an entirely different nature. Moreover, Reich's research has a dimension that extends into politics.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-22T00:29:58Z Marpa http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#b5827ae6-8710-4fcc-b357-beb6f46adae3 2009-06-21T17:58:04Z 2009-06-21T17:58:04Z

>>Tantra predates Reich, by um over two thousand years. Reich westernized, diluted, and to some extent bastardized tantra. The reason you think it is different is that Reich regurgitated knowledge he didn't fully comprehend. Which is absurdly apparent in his writings. Reich's work is cheese in can tantra.<< No argument that Tantra is deeper and wiser and older than Reich's output, but Reich at least TRIED to bring something like Tantric concepts into the fold of Western science. And it may be my mistake (certainly not Reich's) to even bring up the word Tantra in this discussion. But he did explore sexuality and energetics in an unusually way, so my hat's off to him. And look where it got him: in jail and dissed by Western science. I think the man deserves some respect for what he tried to do. He worked with and helped many people. Whether others could replicate his work or not--or whether (like Tesla) despite his smarts he just didn't align particularly well with the zeitgeist of the times--he changed quite a few peoples' lives for the better and cured some of psychological and physiological conditions, like cancer.

Marpa 2009-06-21T17:58:04Z Marpa http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#14d183cf-cf25-4739-bae2-0e77a4e66134 2009-06-21T17:48:44Z 2009-06-21T17:48:44Z

Things are cool between Canela and me :-)

Marpa 2009-06-21T17:48:44Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#db1bf7e0-da93-4391-956d-4f2657c1fcb1 2009-06-21T13:03:22Z 2009-06-21T13:02:05Z

Wildapache, Marpa and I are having a dialogue, and we are in agreement with each other. Your problem may be that you do not understand what we are talking as you may be unfamiliar with Reich, have not read his books, and may have just arrived here as part of Sot's entourage with the intention to troll. (As has Ma'mo, Carl etcetc. It becomes obviously very quickly who is talking about books they have actually read and who isn't)

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-21T13:02:05Z Christina http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#f737b185-8de8-442c-9a53-c171d777c5b6 2009-06-21T08:38:42Z 2009-06-21T08:38:42Z

I read and loved Brave New World. The Romeo and Juliet tie was a little strange though. How the different classes were behavioralized! The mental image of the toddlers crawling toward the roses and being shocked is permently imprinted in my brain. And the workers lining up for their daily dose. I can't wait for my son to read this book. This book is definitely on my list of life changing reads.

Christina 2009-06-21T08:38:42Z Christina http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#3e7e4d1b-a8be-4f69-9216-36659163c850 2009-06-21T07:40:06Z 2009-06-21T07:40:06Z

"Tantra came years later. The practise of tantra and the idea behind Reich's teachings have certain things in common but they are different. Tantra has a spiritual dimension. Reich's teachings cover psychological and political aspects." Tantra predates Reich, by um over two thousand years. Reich westernized, diluted, and to some extent bastardized tantra. The reason you think it is different is that Reich regurgitated knowledge he didn't fully comprehend. Which is absurdly apparent in his writings. Reich's work is cheese in can tantra.

Christina 2009-06-21T07:40:06Z candy cain http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#239aee7b-b7f9-4394-bc77-cb4c47e461f9 2009-06-20T18:04:21Z 2009-06-20T18:04:21Z

Canela, instead of placing so much energy on refuting everything anyone else says, you might try listening/asking questions for a change. Marpa is a very intelligent guy with a lot of knowledge to share and would be an excellent place to start engaging in actual dialog.

candy cain 2009-06-20T18:04:21Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#18c80767-08c3-4aa6-a3ec-13652151530a 2009-06-20T02:32:02Z 2009-06-20T02:32:02Z

Bodily move the energy that make up their neuroses? There is plenty of that arouind, in Gestalt therapy, primal scream therapy, bioenergetics... The most interesting and maybe also most effective one is called "Reichian therapy". ; )

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-20T02:32:02Z Marpa http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#5a0a12b3-6506-411d-9909-e2e8bf4ed8b4 2009-06-19T21:44:19Z 2009-06-19T21:44:19Z

We probably both are ;-) To add more craziness to the brew: there have been people who have made use of Reich's psychiatry work and taken it further, or in different directions. There's a group called Core Energetics that base their school on a doctor named John Pierrakos, who was a colleague of Reich's. They treat people by having them bodily move the energies that make up their neuroses, kind of in the same way Reich had people move their bodies while approaching orgasm.

Marpa 2009-06-19T21:44:19Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#d3843d0f-a1eb-40ab-8f3f-03525268af6b 2009-06-19T15:45:24Z 2009-06-19T15:45:24Z

Bink, have you considered the possibility that the US government may have just been trying to find something to use as an official legal means to get rid of Reich and his writings?

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-19T15:45:24Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#042c90dd-de55-40aa-8c8e-e4ad08f52ef2 2009-06-19T15:41:23Z 2009-06-19T15:41:23Z

Reich's ideas about orgasm made perfect sense to me immediately, I just mentioned above that as a teenager I did not know yet that orgasms could take on such physical forms as to be called "a body turned into a quivering mass of trembling molecules". Everything he said about the psychological effects of suppressing sexual energy, the subsequent separation of energy from the Self and then, this resulting in an easily manageable and manipulable personality was totally clear to me as soon as I read it. I just knew it was true, and the next day I went to school I was able to "see" people's energy flow. I recognised everybody for being in touch with themselves and to what extent or to be uptight and intimidated or twisted or pent up on the inside. My own experiences combined with Wilhem Reich's teachings were a real eye opener at the time. Tantra came years later. The practise of tantra and the idea behind Reich's teachings have certain things in common but they are different. Tantra has a spiritual dimension. Reich's teachings cover psychological and political aspects. Tantrikas do something like absorbing orgon energy, either by certain sexual and meditative practises, or by sitting on the graveyards and meditating over death. Death also releases a huge amount of energy. Well, Marpa, I am afraid by now a whole lot of members of this tribe are thinking that at least one of us is crazy. ; )

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-19T15:41:23Z Marpa http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#865fd447-dafb-4dd6-8f9c-da82d204e2ff 2009-06-19T13:49:34Z 2009-06-19T13:49:34Z

The orgone accumulator is a simple idea: a six-sided box constructed of alternating layers of organic materials like rolls of cotton/wool (to attract energy) and metallic materials like rolls of steel wool (to radiate the energy toward the center of the box). You sit inside the accumulator and absorb orgone energy. I've always wanted to build one and try it out. I've always wanted to try out a cloudbuster too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L3tKddZFic I know that Reich's orgasm ideas aren't that odd if you study the different tantra systems of the East. It's just odd that he tried to bring the Western scientific method into the picture.

Marpa 2009-06-19T13:49:34Z Bink http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#e4d1acce-5d21-413c-991a-f48912b1e6a1 2009-06-19T12:30:10Z 2009-06-19T12:30:10Z

I was taught about book burnings in the US in school. Probably as early as middle school (10 to 13 years old), but I can't recall exactly when. Reich's orgone theories are rather left field. No one outside of his him and his students has been able to substantially reproduce his results, even before the FDA came down on him. Einstein met with Reich, examined his experiments, performed his own and was not convinced. That isn't to say that he was a bad psychiatrist, he just probably wasn't a very good physicist. Tesla has some pretty damn crazy ideas too. Newton, who was probably the greatest scientist and mathematician ever, dabbled in mysticism and alchemy later in life. He was making unsubstantiated medical claims and using unapproved and unverified treatments for physical conditions (cancer). That generally gets you into trouble in the US. Of course, he may have been treating people just fine for psychological conditions and even cancer, the laws meant to protect patients from quacks and frauds can lead to short-sightedness. Maine requested an injunction against him practicing medicine using the orgone accumulator. He refused to appear in court, claiming that the government had no authority. The judge issued the injunction and the destruction of his published materials that mentioned orgone. A couple of years later he was arrested for violating the injunction, found guilty of contempt and sentenced to two years in jail. More of his personal papers and equipment was destroyed after the contempt conviction. The reaction was overzealous by today's standards, but in the 50s when you are talking with someone who had a communist background* and was making some fairly unfounded medical claims involving sexuality, it probably was not that out of character. *He was not considered a security threat by the federal government.

Bink 2009-06-19T12:30:10Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#c2b5dfb6-da98-43f2-96ce-2fa8682503f0 2009-06-19T07:36:08Z 2009-06-19T07:36:08Z

Whoa! I knew the US was prudish, I did not know, they were THIS prudish: "[edit] Wilhelm Reich's publications (by U.S. Food and Drug Administration) Main article: Wilhelm Reich Noted psychiatrist Wilhelm Reich was prosecuted in 1954, following an investigation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in connection with his use of orgone accumulators. Reich refused to defend himself, and a federal judge ordered all of his orgone energy equipment and publications to be seized and destroyed. In June 1956, federal agents burned many of the books at Reich's estate near Rangeley, Maine. Later that year, and in March 1960, an additional 6 tons of Reich's books, journals and papers were burned in a public incinerator in New York. Reich died of heart failure while in federal prison in November 1957.[27]" one big difference between Germany and the US is, I beleve, that the US never publicly admitted to book burning, nor taught future generations about this in highschool. Instead, people voted for Bush (well, almost half of them, the other half failed to prevent election fraud, right?) thanks for the link, Marpa.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-19T07:36:08Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#054a531a-e936-406a-8eee-ba0af5ca750b 2009-06-19T02:23:30Z 2009-06-19T02:23:30Z

I have not heard of his cloudbuster, and I never quite understood how the orgon case worked. But I know, he is scary for some people.　As a teenager, I also doubted his statement that "a real orgasm will turn the body into a quivering mass of trembling molecules" (and thought, there might be something wrong with me). ; )

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-19T02:23:30Z Marpa http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#718c572a-78fb-4587-8547-a6a862f1cb88 2009-06-19T01:52:04Z 2009-06-19T01:52:04Z

Almost every time Reich used his cloudbuster, supposedly UFO's showed up...

Marpa 2009-06-19T01:52:04Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#05a6c654-b874-4194-9246-751e17f7166f 2009-06-19T01:41:02Z 2009-06-19T01:41:02Z

Yes, Reich. "The function of the orgasm", "The psychology of the masses"...The leftist movement in Germany, 1968 and after, celebrated him. When i discovered Reich as a teenager it changed my outlook at the world. Or actually, it confirmed what I always suspected. He said, the church and the government use the control and suppression iof people's sexuality to turn people into meek slaves who are out of touch with their own energy. Hitler hated Reich, yeah. The Americans got more than they bargained for, too. Reich was Jewish, by the way, and so was Freud. Reich died a miserable death in a mental hospital. Another crime against humanity.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-19T01:41:02Z candy cain http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#7ff50575-ed19-41a7-9cd5-917635eb7337 2009-06-18T23:21:27Z 2009-06-18T23:21:27Z

Burroughs had an orgone accumulator but i don't think he had a cloudbuster gun

candy cain 2009-06-18T23:21:27Z Marpa http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#6604099e-3b2d-4dde-a1ae-4ed4a89c1c93 2009-06-18T17:04:18Z 2009-06-18T17:04:18Z

This is an article about book burning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning I stumbled across it when researching some books that Wilhelm Reich wrote. He was a controversial psychiatrist and psychoanalyst who was one of the top students of Sigmund Freud, but they disagreed about sexuality. Reich though it was a force that could be used and accumulated. Reich later moved to the U.S. to escape the Nazis and began treating people with his controversial but effective methods. He cured cancer in hundreds of patients with his orgone accumulator until the FDA burned most of his books and put him in jail in the 50s where he died. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning#Wilhelm_Reich.27s_publications_.28by_U.S._Food_and_Drug_Administration.29

Marpa 2009-06-18T17:04:18Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#4a63ac3f-c423-4c9d-bc16-011c18e04e82 2009-06-18T16:23:29Z 2009-06-18T16:23:29Z

Remember what some of the prisoners in Guantanamo were forced to do with their koran? Regarding making books readable for kids, Snert: children need pictures and illustrations. the more they grow the less they need them. But some people never grow up and read comics. ; )

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-18T16:23:29Z Snert http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#c8c36425-f042-4797-9c4e-696897fcacb1 2009-06-18T16:13:42Z 2009-06-18T16:13:42Z

>>>Well, you know, I guess, sometimes they shorten books into picture book size to make then readable for kids.<<< Ain't that a shame. Teach your children to read and understand. And let them question. Banned books? Isn't the Bible banned in some Islamic countries - possesion punishable by death? What would Allah think? Why don't we all get together and have a book burnig festival. Bring your favorite and toss it. We can use the Constitution to start the fire.

Snert 2009-06-18T16:13:42Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#c4b5b25c-0a35-44a0-9953-a321b3431518 2009-06-18T07:52:57Z 2009-06-18T07:52:57Z

>>Well, you know, I guess, sometimes they shorten books into picture book size to make them readable for kids.<< Like Reader Digest versions of books :)

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2009-06-18T07:52:57Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#9e079162-9989-4de4-a9ab-7d1a86ca22ba 2009-06-17T16:43:09Z 2009-06-17T16:43:09Z

I was so small,. it was read to me. Yes, an edition with illustrations, exactly.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-17T16:43:09Z Bink http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#f7c5f0f0-d369-462a-9326-19c1218ec910 2009-06-17T15:53:23Z 2009-06-17T15:53:23Z

>>Well, you know, I guess, sometimes they shorten books into picture book size to make them readable for kids.<< I had a copy of Journey to the Center of the Earth that was like that. But Uncle Tom's Cabin is not very long if I remember correctly and there were editions of with a lot of illustrations, so you might have read one of those.

Bink 2009-06-17T15:53:23Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#364ae056-113c-49f2-ba00-f14e782b0933 2009-06-17T14:36:57Z 2009-06-17T14:36:57Z

Well, you know, I guess, sometimes they shorten books into picture book size to make them readable for kids. But I hardly remember how long it was, I was so little.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-17T14:36:57Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#5c9eb4e9-1fc3-4007-b721-06cc97d5ee89 2009-06-17T10:33:13Z 2009-06-17T10:33:13Z

I saw the wikipedia list too and thought it was short <"Uncle Tom's cabin" I had as a picture book as a child.> Really ? I have a copy and I thought it was novel size.. but I read it years and years and years ago and might be wrong..

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2009-06-17T10:33:13Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#8496acc0-7868-4c7c-910c-d1f10ab909b2 2009-06-16T13:39:40Z 2009-06-16T13:39:40Z

lincomplete ist of banned books: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_books Banned books include the bible and Goethe's "Sorrows of the young Werther" (because there were too many copycat suicides by men who found the book inspiring). Speaking of which, one Kurdish scholar once got arrested and jailed for 2 years for "publishing a research paper in a language that does not exist"! His response to that:"If the language does not exist, nobody will understand the paper so what are they worrying about?"

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-16T13:39:40Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#ae399cbf-48d9-4c99-b5d6-50bfcb320b5d 2009-06-16T11:03:07Z 2009-06-16T11:03:07Z

Oops, and of course I know Huckleberry Finn too, incl. the movie. I even had a black stray kitten called Huckleberry once. ; )

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-16T11:03:07Z Canela, too hot for you http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#710d7aa4-15e3-4aae-a1fe-9f6f039a244e 2009-06-16T10:58:04Z 2009-06-16T10:58:04Z

I am familiar with 1.2.3.4 and 7 on Bloke's list. I am not surprised the "Scarlet Letter" was banned in america, and seeing the movie left a still lasting impression of the US on my mind. You think, the nazis were bad? HA! ; ) I know lots of people hate Demi Moore for various reasons, one of them being that she changed the end of that book. I think, she is great, I loved her movie about that single mom turned stripper dancing for leering politicians too. Srtill no0t sure how much has changed from the days of the Puritans, witchhunting is still a popular pastime on that continued, it seems. Hopefully, Obama's intelligence will bring a little light to those medieval habits again, the US surely needs it, after the Bush era. Whew! Ulysses and James Joyce stream of consciousness is still sitting on my shelf untouched, along with "Portrait of the artist as a young man" and "Dubliners". Dubliners I read about half, felt, I could not handle the heavy catholic culture and have still not found the time to read the rest. I have seen the movie "Norah Joyce" though and loved that. Madame Bovary I also read about half, waiting in vain for the "revolutionary, scandalous bits" , the juicy immoral sex scnes and whatever had been promised about that book, finally gave up because I found it stuffy. I love Gustave Flaubert's "Dictionary of platitudes" though. Wow, the sense of irony, fabulous! If your tongue sneeds a bit of sharpening up, try this one! He ridicules everyone in sight, including the French aristocracy and their snobbish groupies. "Uncle Tom's cabin" I had as a picture book as a child. "Lady Chatterley" I read at age 16 and loved it so much that I subsequently bought the entire series of collected works of D.H. Laurence from my pocket money little by little, but Lady Chatterley remained my favourite, along with "Sun", "The man who went away" and "The virgin and the gypsy". (I was a very sensuous teenager) "Brave new world" by Aldeous Huxley we read during German classes with our teacher (at age 12 or so?)and it probably was my first impression of America. I have never read or even seen "Mein Kampf" anywhere during all my years in Germany (if you wonder how I recognised the copy and paste job, that was a no-brainer), though during high school I have seen lots of copies of Mao's bible around, and also some of Karl Marx' "Das Kapital" which is another book I have never read, and it is supposed to be one of the toughest reads ever, but I have a few friends who attempted it. Hm, other forbidden books I have read? Mostly Moroccan ones written by women. "The almond", by Nedjma, maybe the sexiest and most in-your-face-book that ever came out of Morocco. The female author had to keep her true identity hidden, and her book is banned. Almost everything by Fatima Mernissi, whose books on feminism are also banned in Morocco, though she had a position at the university of Rabat. "Things I have been silent about" by Azar Nafisi, bound to be banned in Iran. Tucholsky's books were burned by the nazis, now he is compulsory reading in every German high school, abnd so are plenty of other authors whose books were burned. Georg Trakl's morphine inspired expressionist poems? "Your golden hair, Sulaika, your ashen hair, Sulamith"? Probably there is no high school student who did not have to read that gruesome poem about the nazi gas chambers in which these women were killed. Same with the painters. No art or history lessons without a mention of Otto Dix whose paintings you can find in that great exhibition of so-called "Perverted art", all the paintings that were forbidden by the nazis. Instead we had roaring deer on forest awnings and gigantic statues of labourers and mythological heroes produced in the 30ies, together with trashy movies, that everybody laughs at now, all these works by Hitler-approved artists are famous for the kitsch element, i.e. being in bad taste, and shown by the art teachers as an exemple what mistakes to avoid in painting etc. My favourite "forbidden books" are still the modern Arabic and Persian ones. All written by women.

Canela, too hot for you 2009-06-16T10:58:04Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#fac3eca3-bf96-442d-8d32-e13ce84cd9a1 2009-06-16T05:19:11Z 2009-06-16T05:18:25Z

<book banning is the beginning of the end. > I agree. But you can understand why such a subversive character as Huckleberry Finn must be stopped ! :)

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2009-06-16T05:18:25Z $item.owner.firstName http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#6f92fd98-d6a2-4734-b794-d2057ee20322 2009-06-16T05:13:24Z 2009-06-16T05:13:24Z

book banning is the beginning of the end.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-06-16T05:13:24Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#ac988df4-17a3-402e-a5bd-ce362d85bd5b 2009-06-16T05:12:31Z 2009-06-16T05:12:31Z

And this was interesting Top 10 Banned Classics By Esther Lombardi, About.com Books are still being banned every day, but do you know which of the great classics have been banned? Books are controversial because of language, politics, sexuality, or religion. Some books seem to be challenged or banned because of multiple objections from different types of censors. Here's a list of ten... 1. Ulysses - James Joyce Published in 1918, James Joyce's Ulysses was banned on sexual grounds. Leopold Bloom sees a woman on the seashore, and his actions during that event have been considered controversial. Also, Bloom thinks about his wife's affair, as he walks through Dublin, Ireland on a famous day (we now know it as Bloomsday). In 1922, 500 copies of the book were burned by the United States Department of 2. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn - Mark Twain Published in 1884, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, by Mark Twain has been banned on social grounds. Concord Public Library called the book "trash suitable only for the slums," when it first banned the novel in 1885. The references and treatment of African Americans in the novel reflect the time about which it was written, but some critics have thought such language inappropriate for study and reading in schools and libraries. .3. Madame Bovary - Gustave Flaubert Published in 1857, Gustave Flaubert's Madame Bovary was banned on sexual grounds. In the trial, Imperial Advocate Ernest Pinard said, "No gauze for him, no veils--he gives us nature in all her nudity and crudity." Madame Bovary is a woman full of dreams--without any hope of finding a reality that will fulfill her hopes. She marries a provincial doctor, tries to find love in all the wrong places, and eventually brings about her own ruination. In the end, she escapes in the only way she knows how. This novel is an exploration of the life of a woman who dreams too large. Here adultery and other actions have been controversial. Buy DirectRead Review .4. The Scarlet Letter Published in 1850, Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter was censored on sexual grounds. The book has been challenged under claims that it is "pornographic and obscene." .5. Uncle Tom's Cabin Published in 1852, Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin was controversial. When President Lincoln saw Stowe, he purportedly said, "So you're the little woman who wrote the book that made this great war." The novel has been been banned for language concerns. .6. Of Mice and Men Published in 1937, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men has been frequently banned on social grounds. The book has been called "offensive" and "vulgar" because of the language and characterization. .7. Brave New World Published in 1932, Aldous Huxley's Brave New World has been banned with complaints about the language used, as well morality issues. Brave New World is a satirical novel, with a stringent division of the classes, drugs, and free love.. 8. Lady Chatterley's Lover Published in 1928, D.H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover has been banned for its sexually explicit nature. Lawrence wrote three versions of the novel. .9. Moll Flanders Published in 1722, Daniel Defoe's Moll Flanders was one of the earliest novels. The book dramatically depicts the life and misadventures of a young girl, who becomes a prostitute. The book has been challenged on sexual grounds. .10. Candide Published in 1759, Voltaire's Candide was banned by the Catholic Church. Bishop Etienne Antoine wrote: "We prohibit, under canonical law, the printing or sale of these books..." . Source http://classiclit.about.com/od/ladychatterleyslover/tp/aatp-ban.htm Funny how teachers now often have students study these books :)

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2009-06-16T05:12:31Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://ijustfinishedreading.tribe.net/thread/b102af09-0893-4d82-a045-605e21cdeb19#e3bade7d-2e3b-474c-873a-442628610dab 2009-06-16T05:06:56Z 2009-06-16T05:06:56Z

I think someone just mentioned Mein Kampf in a thread..I have never read it and might, just to see what was written and know more of the text which infuenced a generation+ of Germans.. Anyone here read it ? (and if you are thinking that is an inviation for a pro-Neo-Nazi rant.. I will probably just skip your post :) However I have read (and own a copy) of Mao's Little Red Book.. Some good quotes in there.. but gosh.. hard going.. What left of field books have you read ? What did you think of them ? How about "banned books", read any ? What do you think about the fact someone somewhere banned them ?

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2009-06-16T05:06:56Z